Christian vs Christian

Ok hold your breath, I am having this conversation with another Christian on my FB.

It's quite long since the conversation still going on.

Read first and feel free to comment:


This is where all it started from

Christian 1's FB stat:
I am back from Mexico.I thought I was going to die yesterday on the plane from Vancouver-Quesnel.The weather was sooo bad up there that the pilot had to turn the plane around and land in Williams lake,then I had to take a bus to Quesnel.


Fillmyheart:
Getting on a plane is scary.
So before the flight, I say "Psalm 91".. The prayer of God's protection. Do you know that as a Believer , God is protecting us 24/7 , u just need to acknowledg it by using His words.

" if you make the Most High your dwelling- even the Lord, who is my refuge- then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent."
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Bible verses are God's tool to use in situations like these. And even with sickness.
When you speak it, it comes alive.

Anyways, Im glad you are back in ur place.
You have peace now.:)



Christian 2:
Dinx, Hi, I haven't met you yet, but nice to meet you :-) If I can respond to your post? I really don't agree with your "when you speak it comes alive... Read More", where did you learn that? I dont' mean to hurt feelings or anything, truly not, I just think that the word of faith movement is not teaching the truth, since only God has the power to let things happen, not us....and just because we say something doesn;t mean it is going to happen....hmm, maybe I put it completely wrong here, hope you understand what I mean?


Christian 3:
I agree with my sister Desiree Dinx.... There are true born again Christians to whom terrible things happen, I am sure it is not because they did or did not "speak" it over themselves.... you wrote: "Bible verses are God's tool to use in situations like these". this is infact a lie (sorry if I sound harsh but your words are just not true....) Bible... Read More verses are not meant for us to use as we choose, infact, the original scriptures dont even have verses, it was placed in the bible for easy referencing. Unfortunately people take them out of context and missinterpret them. Our words do not have authority over the sovereignty of God's will. It is how we trust that sovereignty of God, especially in hard and difficult times, that is important.


Me:
so what is the Bible for you then?
Do you know that the Bible is God breathed?

When you are sick , what do you do? Do you just accept it like that? Do you know that God wants you well? Everytime I feel sick or with a headache I say " Thank you Jesus, by Jesus stripes I am healed!"
Do you claim that?

When you fear of something or stress out. what do you do? do you just say, "It's normal. Life is like that. Thank you God." " because me, I say " I'm too blessed to be stressed!

How can you say if a person is a true born again Christian?

Maybe I am wrong. But for me a true born again Christian is person who accepts his weaknesses and failures then take Jesus as his Saviour in this mad-fallen world. ... Read More



CHRISTIAN 3:
I don't "claim" healing in Jesus' name. I think the verse "by His stripes we are healed" is taken out of context and is being abused to promote the word of faith movement. We are healed by His stripes spiritually. If He had not died for us there would have been no way back to God for us. Salvation is the big thing. There is plenty of examples in ... Read Morethe bible where people were not being healed because yes, God wants to bless you, but your spiritual wellbeing is far more important then anything. How do you explain all the believers that die in their sickness, are they not true believers? So it is actually up to them if they are sick or die? Jesus never gave us authority to claim left and right what fits us. God is sovereign and as a true born again believer you trust God in whatever He does and you pray. You can pray for healing, absolutely and sometimes He still heals through prayer. But a true believer is somebody who has repented of his sin, continues to repent every day, has put his faith and trust in Jesus Christ for his / her salvation. Physical healing is not a promise when we come to Christ. A life full of tribulation, that is the promise. And we have to take up our cross daily if we want to follow HIm. We are commanded to lay down our lives. We must give up ourselves. We are not promised prosperity, health or wealth. This passing tru station is going to be hard sometimes but our reward will be in heaven where there will be no tears, pain or sickness. Only there. Here on earth we just have to deal with it, that is what comes with living in a world that has fallen into sin and that keeps sinning. Dinx, pls humble yourself for the living God and pray that He will open your eyes to the truth. Read your bible with an open mind and heart and pray for understanding, I plead with you!


Me:
Hey Desiree. I am surprised we are in a totally different Christian world.the Jesus I know came to give us Life. Life in all things , health,wealth and spirit.
And what are u saying Jesus never promised of physical healing. Havent u read Mark,Matthew, Luke and John? Jesus healed the sick and brought up the dead. Those who cannot walk walked. Those who were blind, can see.
So ur not "claiming" ur healing? That does mean if u will get sick you wont go to the doctor? Or if ever any one of ur household will get sick. Are u just going to say, "this is what God wants.i say Amen "? Rofl!!
And oh ..u repent everyday? Your God tells you to do that?if u repent everyday, that means u fail Him everday. Ur God must be heartbroken.
Well, If you like repenting everyday then do it. If u dont, then better change the way you think about God. ... Read More
Because the God i know is awesome!
He is more than like my late dad. He protects, heals and blesses me 24/7.
He sent His son, Jesus to be a one-time sacrifice for us all Forever so we in His blood can live an abundant life!
If u think ur salvation depends on ur repenting everyday , i say u are standing on a shaky ground. Thats all. I dont want to argue.


CHRISTIAN 3:
Dinx you are busy with Idolitry. You created a false Jesus in you mind conforming him to what you feel you want a god to be and then you twist and trun the scriptures so that it will fit your imagination god. Repent and believe is what the bible says. Dont conveniently read over it. You cannot live in habbitual sin with no repentence and be born again. What does the bible mean to me??? EVERYTHING. It is God's word and God breathed like you said, it is not my wish list of things I want for myself.
What do i do when I get sick? I pray for healing, if it does not happend, I trust that God has a purpose with it. Whether it being to discipline me, to draw me closer to Him or to teach me, I know God is sovereign and He has a plan with everything. Do you get stuck on the verses that promise you good things and ignore the verses that promise you trouble??? Hve you read in the bible that Jesus says "in THIS life you will have trouble" ? and what about the verse that says "Deny yourself and follow me, take up your cross DAILY". Do you understand those verses?
What about the rich man who wanted to follow Jesus and then Jesus sayd he must first sell everything he has... do you know the meaning of that?

Or what about the verse than says blessed are the ones who will be persecuted for my Name's sake... Do you know what he means ?... Read More
Do you understand what God meant when he included in the bible:"Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; Rom 5:3
or
You became imitators of us and of the Lord; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with the joy given by the Holy Spirit 1 Th 1:6
or
All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 2 Th 1:5
Or
So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God 2 Ti 1:8
Or
For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 1 Pe 2:19

There are many more such examples Dinx. I am quite honnest with you when I say that whoever has been teaching you about these things is a false teacher, get away and come to God for truth. If you want I can get in email contact with you and help you understand the scriptures and repentence.

Study the book of 1 John carefully to see if you are in the faith.

Me:
Hey Maryna. You talk about suffering too much. I want life not sufferring. I want healing and wellness not sickness.

Isaiah 53 : ...and by His stripes we are healed!!

How can u explain when i have not been sick for 3 yrs now. Because.... each day, or moments when i feel sick, i inject it with Jesus healing thoughts. Like "by His stripes, I Am healed! I dont get any flu, fever, or even minor coughs anymore because the God I know is a good God who always wants me well and healthy.can u explain that? And uh let me tell u i dont take meds or vitamins at all. Each day my energy is overflowing and much more. ... Read More
How can you say its idolatry???? When you know the Truth that God wAnts you well is an "idolatry"??? (bullsss..)
Let me say that the God in your mind is a lousy God! Can you read Psalm 91 and feel God talking to you ..Just for a moment without condemnation just read it. Alright?
And what have you to say when God said on Jeremiah 29:11 " For I know the plans I have for you.," declares the Lord. " plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. "
Do you call it idolatry???
You people talk about being self-righteous then brag about it and condemn poor, weak and baby Christians which eventually would lead them in running away from God.

Maybe you will spend ur whole life here on earth repenting or condemning other Christians. But me? I will spend my life praising , worshipping and thanking Him while enjoying my victory each day!! NO MATTER WHAT!
Lastly,
The God I am praising is a big God. I really dont need to defend Him from you.

CHRISTIAN 3:
You are not praising the God of the bible that is for sure.....
All the scriptures you give are missinterpreted by you, Desiree have explained it to you already so I am not going to again.
Your first statement: "You talk about suffering too much. I want life not sufferring. I want healing and wellness not sickness."
I didnt talk about suffering, I gave scripture (you know, the bible).
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The fact that you've been healthy for three years is a blessing, I too havn't had any serious illness for years now, also not taking vits and minerals. That is no proof of your blaphemious doctrine.
You will someday die Dinx, what then? If you stand before God and he says :"away from me you evildoer, I never knew you".
What then? dont tell me your god wont say that because the God of the Bible is the one by who's standards you wil be judged, not your imaginary friend's.


Me:
@Maryna ...And how can you say i got a false teacher? The teachings I learnt from him has healed, blessed and prospered me. Not maybe financialy yet but in mind, health, and spirit.

You dont know what Ive been through but surely God made everything possible for me.

You take sickness as God's way of teaching you a lesson? Sounds like my late dad .... Read More

Like I was telling you, if u take sickness that way, then there's no need for you go to the doc and be healed right? Or else, you will be disobeying God again. Lolx.

Peace to you ok.


CHRISTIAN 3:
by the way, those teachers who tell you that people who think like me are in bondage, under condemnation, legalistic etc, have no clue what they talking about.
I have never been so free, so full of joy and so at peace in my entire life!!!
I am completely happy, EVEN in my suffering.


You read my posts like you read the bible it seems.....

I do go to the doc when i am sick, I am not an idiot.
Secondly, God does not make me sick to teach me a lesson. We live in a fallen sinfull world and bad things happen, like you already admitted when mentioning your past. God does turn those things into good for those he loves as per Romans 8:28. This is not a perfect life and not meant to be perfect.
Your interpretation of the bible is shameful and your teacher is a false one. I say again, get away from him/her as soon as possible he/she is leading you straight into hell. ... Read More

Ps. It is NOT about you, it is about GOD. I suggest you seek God before you seek men.


Me:
@Maryna, Actually, being unbeliever for decades I have not come to God because of what He is. I came to Him because I wanted protection and I hate medicines. Then one day I learnt, He prospers, blesses and protects. Thats the God who came to me.and I said "okeeei!"
So I believed Him. Am I sellfish? Maybe?
Let me tell u, when Jesus says, go away from me u hyprocrites. He was actually referring to the Pharisees. Why do I know? I just got a revelation.
If u think u live a sinless life because everytime u fail u have the chance to repent. Then u dont need Jesus!
Question!... Read More
What if , one day you sin, and suddenly got hit by a truck and die. Sad part is you didn't have a chance to repent? Are u gona be in hell or heaven?
Deep question. I need ur answer.

@Maryna just read Psalm91 pls.


CHRISTIAN 3:
Sure I will give you my very easy answer, not deep question at all. We are saved by Christ dying on the cross for us, not by our works. we dont need to reptent in order to go to heaven, we need to repent because the spirit of God in us convicts us of the sin and drives us to repentence, if you dont have that then I suggest you have not the spirit of God in you.
We are saved once, we dont have to expact salvation with every repentence. does that make sense?

I know Psalm 91 very well thanks, and it is glorious but does not confirm any of your false beliefs at all.
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Dinx by your own admission you came to God because of something YOU wanted. Can you not see that that was your biggest mistake? You should come to God because of who HE is and not because of what He can do for you. If you do that, then you will experience freedom that cannot ever top the freedom you think you feel now.
I pray for you my friend.

Just Trust God’s Goodness And Pray In The Spirit

Good morning everyone! How's your day?

Sharing another powerful truth from Ps Joseph Prince.

Be blessed and enjoy!:)

"Just Trust God’s Goodness And Pray In The Spirit"


1 Corinthians 14:14
14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

God has given us a powerful prayer gift — praying in tongues, which is not limited by distance, time or head knowledge. When you pray in tongues, you could be praying for your future or even a loved one overseas. You won’t know what you are praying unless God tells you. This is because your “understanding is unfruitful” — your mind is not involved.

“But Pastor Prince, I must know what I am praying!”

Sometimes, it is better not to know what you are praying. In 1993, I had a long season of praying in the Spirit. If I had known then everything that I was praying in tongues, I would have freaked out! For example, I would have been afraid if I had known that the Holy Spirit was saying, “Father God, in the year 2002, anoint Joseph Prince to preach six messages every week to more than 10,000 people.” That has come to pass. But back in 1993, one service was enough to tire me out!

So I thank God that I don’t know what I am praying when I pray in tongues. I simply trust His goodness and pray in tongues for everything that He has planned for me to come to pass in His perfect timing.

Beloved, don’t stop praying in tongues just because you don’t know what you are praying. You could be praying for the safety of a loved one in a life and death situation. Especially when you feel an urge to pray because you sense danger, pray! Pray until you sense a release as the burden is lifted. The Holy Spirit will know exactly what is going on, who is in danger and how to pray for deliverance. (Romans 8:27)

You may say, “Well, I can just pray in English.” You can, but your prayer will be very limited because you don’t know everything. It is better to pray in tongues because the Spirit knows all things.

My friend, you don’t belong to the natural, limited realm. You belong to God who is unlimited! So pray in tongues, and see great things happening for you and through you.


© Copyright Joseph Prince, 2006. All rights reserved.
All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the New King James Version ®.
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
Copyright © 2006–2008 New Creation Church

Condemning Christians?

I've read a recent stat from my Christian friend in facebook and she says...

"So many people say they are a Christian, then what comes out of their mouth is swearing
like the f word and when they got a concern in life they relax with a couple glasses of wine.
Where is Jesus in this?"


My view?
Being a Christian is not a badge telling people that "Hey, we are Christians!
We lead a perfect life, and yeaaah we are perfect!"

Being a Christian is not something that you do, or how fast you can change your bad habits or behaviour.
It's not about you enjoying a perfect life just because you think so.
It's not about you going to church on Sundays nor
about you reading the Bible everyday.
It's not about how good you are to other people or your charity.
It's not about you feeling so bad about other Christians or people.

Being a Christian is always a WORK in progress until Jesus comes.
Because if Christians are perfect, we can just brag about it and wouldn't need Jesus anymore.

Christianity is not being you putting up a good name for Jesus because of what you've done.

No. It's NOT about you or me or them...

It's about Jesus...

Jesus is my REST

If only people or even Christians would know how much they're really worth.
They'd stop looking for love in the wrong places nor associate it with temporary things.

They'd stop killing, cursing or hating each other.
Neither fear, frustrations or depression wouldn't have the power to control their mind and emotions and Life.

That is... If only.

I was once like a lost child.
A lost sheep.
I used to pretend that I was ok but on
the inside, I was struggling emotionally and mentally.

On my family's side, I really didn't feel like my parents loved me that much because I always longed for their attention.
With my friends, I always wanted to be the star.
With my career , I always wanted to be on top.
You know how the world works in your thoughts and in your mind- the rat race kind of thing...
Unconsciously I felt I was really turning into a rat. Pathetic huh?

Well, that was just me.

But

Alas,
Jesus has saved me!

Now I can shut up.
( no, not really shut up but can stop complaining about life)

This is just what i needed.

Being in Jesus is just what I needed to reign in this mad, fallen world.

Where
an Unconditional love from Jesus
who inspite of my failures and misbehaving is always there ready to say
" Come to me. My yoke is easy.
Just Rest on me"

This truth I know is hard to decipher.

Because no one have really seen God or Jesus.

Me? I take it as Faith.

And this time, I'm using my Faith for good and for the right thing and person.

It really matters.

The world once decieved me by telling me,
" Believe in yourself. Have faith in yourself"
And honestly,
I was such a fool for believing.

Well , I am a lousy keeper and the truth is
without Jesus, I can do NOTHING!

I tried too much believing in myself that it almost took me my own life out of desperation.

Yes. I failed alot of times for trying to keep on believing in myself. Tsk!

Here's what I'm going to tell you.

Believing and trusting in Jesus is easier.
There's alot of peace, rest in it
and definitely, you'd be too blessed to be stress!

God says , " Have faith in me and be at REST. "

Is it the Only One thing that we ever needed?

To have Peace and be at REST?



-- Post From My iPhone

Amazing Grace by Elvis Presley

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,


That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Jesus Take The Wheel by Carrie Underwood

Jesus Take The Wheel with lyrics
Songwriters: James, Brett; Lindsey, Hillary; Sampson, Gordie;

She was driving last Friday on her way to Cincinnati
On a snow white Christmas Eve
Going home to see her Mama and her Daddy
With the baby in the backseat

Fifty miles to go and she was running low
On faith and gasoline
It'd been a long hard year

She had a lot on her mind and she didn't pay attention
She was going way too fast
Before she knew it she was spinning
On a thin black sheet of glass

She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

Jesus, take the wheel
Take it from my hands
?Cause I can't do this on my own

I'm letting go
So give me one more chance
To save me from this road I'm on
Jesus, take the wheel

It was still getting colder when she made it to the shoulder
And the car came to a stop
She cried when she saw that baby in the backseat
Sleeping like a rock

And for the first time in a long time
She bowed her head to pray
She said I'm sorry for the way
I've been living my life

I know I've got to change
So from now on tonight

Jesus, take the wheel
Take it from my hands
?Cause I can't do this on my own

I'm letting go
So give me one more chance
To save me from this road I'm on

Oh Jesus, take the wheel
Oh, I'm letting go

So give me one more chance
Save me from this road I'm on
From this road I'm on
Jesus, take the wheel
Oh, take it, take it from me
Oh, why, ooh

Christ Is The Treasure In You

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE! ENJOY YOUR DAILY DOSE OF LIFE!!!



Christ Is The Treasure In You


2 Corinthians 4:7
7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us.

The verse tells us that we have “this treasure” in earthen vessels. Who is the treasure? Christ! Who are the earthen vessels here? You and I! Thank God the treasure is in the earthen vessels.

My friend, Christ the treasure is in you. So don’t get frustrated when you see your “earthiness”. You will always be “earthen” as long as you are in your mortal body, but remember that Christ the treasure is in you.

Should you lose your cool with your spouse or children, remember that Christ in you is your patience. When I feel impatient, I don’t pray, “Lord Jesus, give me patience... now!” No, I look to Jesus and I say, “Lord Jesus, I thank You that You are my patience.”

In my younger days and even when I first got married, I had a bad temper. I tried all sorts of anger management techniques, but I never got very far until I told God, “God, I am so frustrated trying to overcome my anger. I give up! I cannot. You can. I rest and depend on You.” Not too long after that, my wife commented, “You know, you have improved in the area of your temper.”

I thought about what she had said and realized that I was not even conscious of the change in me. When family members can see the patience of Christ manifesting through a naturally impatient person, God gets the glory.

Perhaps you are frustrated with your smoking and drinking habits. Or maybe you are discouraged by your feelings of jealousy, distrust, bitterness, depression and defeat. Don’t condemn yourself for being earthen. Don’t try to “cast out” your earthiness. Just realize that you have Christ the treasure in you.

The more you see that treasure in you, the more Christ’s brilliance shines forth in you. And in the midst of your earthiness, God gets the glory as you yourself are transformed from glory to glory! (2 Corinthians 3:18)


© Copyright Joseph Prince, 2006. All rights reserved.
All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the New King James Version ®.
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
Copyright © 2006–2008 New Creation Church